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Board Battles / Re: The Three-Edged Sword: Rallying to War
« Last post by Soul Reaver on October 06, 2023, 09:44:49 AM »
Soul Reaver watches with some trepidation as Jharm's hammer blow cracks the crystal, but fails to destroy it.  The attack had clearly caused some sort of temporary disruption however - it didn't seem to be completely impervious.  He would stay his original course.

However, Soul Reaver is forced onto the defensive when a portal opens before him and a greatsword-wielding Shaitan Lord springs forth.  Blooddrinker leaps up to intercept one blow after another with shrill metallic clangs.  Normally he would have taken a more aggressive stance, but he was absorbed in the casting of his spell and could not divert too much focus from its complex weaving.

But he would need a moment's breathing room for this final stage.  Lunging forward and twisting his red sword, Soul Reaver locks the enemy's blade into Blooddrinker's jagged crossguard, then forces their point downward with a circular motion.  With a final arcane word, Soul Reaver draws his arm back and completes his spell.

Closing his hand, he plucks a lance of blinding white light out of the air: a Spear of the Apocalypse.  With a grunt, he hurls the devastating projectile like a javelin at the heart of the crystal.
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Battle Related Topics / Re: I've broken the rules (and so have you)
« Last post by Shadow Chorus on October 06, 2023, 09:36:57 AM »
Oh I don't misunderstand the purpose of the last two options at all. You are just correct in that I don't particularly like the god-mod method in any regard, because, regardless of how it might help the battle host, it is essentially threatening the player to make a post, which as I've mentioned is a bad way to get me to want to do that, and E and F, at least as the only solution taken, would only make that worse. And it's largely the way it's formatted; the current layout is that the god-mod is the default response for missing the deadline, when ideally the only default response should be to talk to the person in question and see what works best in their situation. The only time I'd recommend something like god-modding someone is if they agree to it or you just can't get into contact with them at all, rather than it being a standard threat sitting on display.

There is a recognizable tonal difference between 'You are approaching your deadline, please make a post or your character will be god-modded' and 'Hey, you're getting close to the deadline, do you need any assistance getting your post out there or anything from the mod?'

As for a timeframe on C; A week or two sounds fine to me. I would personally lean closer to two weeks, just because the fact that's half the amount of time the normal limit is set to makes my pattern-seeking brain happy, but either is fine.
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Battle Related Topics / Re: I've broken the rules (and so have you)
« Last post by Soul Reaver on October 06, 2023, 05:13:15 AM »
Ok, based on feedback so far, and my own opinions, I think the following should be done:


Permanent changes:

c) Change the rules so that the Battle Host doesn't have to post within 1 month of their own last post, but rather within either 1 month of their own last post or within [timeframe] of the last PLAYER'S post, whichever is longer.
This is probably an overdue change, but here's the question: how long should [timeframe] be?
Whatever it ends up being, we may end up with 1 month + [timeframe] as the time between the Battle Host's posts.
Personally I would say 1 week, but I'm open to suggestions.


Temporary changes (these won't last longer than Veldanya's tenure as Battle Host, or shorter in some cases):

b) Give Veldanya a hospital pass on the rules, given their difficult circumstances, for a timeframe they propose.  During this time hosting duties won't be given to anyone else and Veldanya can post as little (or as much) as they want.  Agreement to this would be by majority vote in a hidden poll.  Once the time is up they'll let us know if they need it extended further, and we vote again.  I'll add such an option to the rules for the future.
This will effectively override (c) above for as long as Veldanya needs it to be in place.
A question for Veldanya: how long do you feel it might be helpful for you to have this in place?
Remember that if it turns out you estimated wrong and we reach the end of that period, you just let me know how much more time you feel you need and we can vote again to extend it.

d) Since Veldanya has other priorities, I make it my job to remind people to post.  If they've posted, I'll probably start bothering people to get their posts up within a couple of weeks or so (please let me know the best way to contact you so I can do this).
Please note that (c) is intended to relax things for Veldanya only.  Players should still be aiming to post within a month of Veldanya's last post, so I'll probably start reminding people after a couple of weeks or so to make them aware that a post is up and waiting for their reply.
I will ALSO remind Veldanya around the time the 'usual' post deadline comes up, but as per (c) this will just be the occasional reminder.  There won't be any actual pressure to post.

e) I enforce the players' side of the rules myself and will god-mod people that take more than 1 month to post from Veldanya's post.  This is so that when Veldanya DOES want to post, they don't run into a situation where there are still other peoples' posts pending.
Keep in mind this isn't a new rule - this is just to take the work away from Veldanya.  I'm hoping that regular reminders from me doing (d) mean I won't have to do this for anyone anyway.
Remember, if you're in a situation where you feel you really CAN'T post within a month of the Battle Host, you really should let me know so we can accommodate you.

I've noted that both Fallen Templar and Shadow Chorus don't seem keen on having a god-mod rule of any kind at all, but I'll need to hear a good alternative solution for the situation it's intended to address if I'm to consider replacing that particular long-standing rule.
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Battle Related Topics / Re: I've broken the rules (and so have you)
« Last post by Veldanya Venalla on October 05, 2023, 01:43:51 PM »
Wanted to wait for others to post their opinions given that of course this is (in a more direct way) revolving around me as the current Battle Host.   In terms of which options I feel like C/B/A are the best options (listed in order of "Best" to "worst" relatively).  Option C I think would certainly help AND I feel like is a plausible long term solution not only for myself but in general as actual potential permanent changes to the rules.  Option B of course is clearly a temp fix/band-aid so of course will work for now but doesnt really do much to fix some flaws in present rules (option C i feel like strives to do this).  Option A will "work" technically but does nothing to fix the present issues caused by lack of posting and does nothing to fix flaws in current rules.  Option E sounds like it would "work" but yeah doesnt fix flaws in present rules and yeah places more work on Soul Reaver versus on myself AND can potentially result in issues like we had recently where 50% of the players are going to be god-modded. 

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Battle Related Topics / Re: I've broken the rules (and so have you)
« Last post by Kitharsis on October 05, 2023, 11:34:11 AM »
God Modding has always be an option. I’m not disputing that. It does suck to have that happen to you, but it is a motivator if you’re just dragging your feet :)
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Battle Related Topics / Re: I've broken the rules (and so have you)
« Last post by Soul Reaver on October 05, 2023, 09:48:34 AM »
I am largely indifferent to approach taken except for options E and F, which I would definitely -not- want to see implemented.

Sometimes life is busy or sometimes you're not particularly inspired for a post and it takes a while. But the board is supposed to be fun, not homework. I don't mind getting prodded occasionally if I've been slacking on posting something for a bit, but being threatened with something like 'make a post or I'll make it for you' just tends to make the inherently rebellious part of my brain go 'well fine, fuck you then, do it better yourself.' and want to post even -less-.

I find myself agreeing with Shadow, to me E and F feel like they may cause more issues than they would solve for that reason.

In the interest of keeping things going, options B and C stick out for me. Less stress on the Battle Host that way.

I think you might have both misunderstood what (e) is about...

The current rules already allow the Battle Host to god-mod a player that’s holding things up and preventing them from posting within their own deadline.  Veldanya just hasn’t done so.  In (e), I was proposing that if I see a situation where Veldanya's post deadline is coming up and a player still hasn't posted, it would me that would god-mod them instead of Veldanya needing to do so.  That would leave them one less thing to worry about when they have time to post.

We’ve always had a rule that the Battle Host would be able to god-mod players that were holding up the plot.  I personally have always thought that this was in important rule/tool to have available.

Put yourself in the Battle Host’s shoes: you’ve posted almost a month ago where you cooked up some sort of special attack against everyone that will wipe them out if they don’t respond in some clever way.  And everyone’s responded, except for one person.  What are you supposed to do?  Unless you can god-mod the actions of the non-posting person to at least some extent by ‘assuming’ what they might have done, then the only options open to you are:
i) to hold off on your next Battle Host post, keep harassing the player that hasn’t posted (assuming you can get hold of them) and hope this person will post eventually (leading to a situation where one non-poster is holding everyone else hostage, and where you, as the Battle Host, need to ask the Admin/other players for more time so that they don't God-mod YOU to move the plot along)
OR
ii) pretend like that character has done nothing at all and gets hit accordingly (which is a total jerk move and a type of god-mod in its own right)
OR
iii) 100% ignore the character in your next post (which makes for some really incoherent writing, not to mention is sometimes close to impossible in certain situations where the characters really need to give their input)
OR
iv) something else I haven't thought of...?

Making a god-mod post for a non-posting player is supposed to be a last resort when other methods (eg, ideally reminding the player etc) have failed.  Practically speaking we’ve very rarely had to use that rule in the past, though in some rare cases we did have to do so.  In those cases I was glad the option was there.  I’d also like to point out that those god-mod posts should be kept very restrained – only as much detail is included to provide what is necessary.  The posts tend to be relatively short, ‘conservative’ solutions to a given problem that are as much in-line with established character powers/personality as possible, and don’t do anything like introducing new powers or result in any key character development.

If the idea of the Battle Host (or Admin in the interim, if we accept (e)) making God-mod posts for a player who doesn’t post in a certain timeframe is something a majority of players can’t get on-board with, we will need some alternative, ‘official’ means for the Battle Host to deal with a situation where they are supposed to post but a player hasn’t posted yet.

If you’ve got any alternative ideas, or refinements to the current rule (please do re-read it if you need to jog your memory), this is a good thread to discuss those.
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Battle Related Topics / Re: I've broken the rules (and so have you)
« Last post by Fallen Templar on October 04, 2023, 05:19:38 PM »
I find myself agreeing with Shadow, to me E and F feel like they may cause more issues than they would solve for that reason.

In the interest of keeping things going, options B and C stick out for me. Less stress on the Battle Host that way.
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Battle Related Topics / Re: I've broken the rules (and so have you)
« Last post by Shadow Chorus on October 04, 2023, 10:50:57 AM »
I am largely indifferent to approach taken except for options E and F, which I would definitely -not- want to see implemented.

Sometimes life is busy or sometimes you're not particularly inspired for a post and it takes a while. But the board is supposed to be fun, not homework. I don't mind getting prodded occasionally if I've been slacking on posting something for a bit, but being threatened with something like 'make a post or I'll make it for you' just tends to make the inherently rebellious part of my brain go 'well fine, fuck you then, do it better yourself.' and want to post even -less-.
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Board Battle OOC Threads / Re: The Three-Edged Sword: OOC Thread
« Last post by Kitharsis on October 04, 2023, 09:54:10 AM »
When in doubt, bring more swords than your opponent.
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Board Battles / Re: The Three-Edged Sword: Rallying to War
« Last post by Kitharsis on October 04, 2023, 09:52:59 AM »
The guardian of the keep disappears, resulting in the companions' attacks doing seemingly nothing.  He now stands atop the large glowing crystal.  The crystal appears to be flowing into the guardian, empowering him.  The guardian guards the crystal, and the crystal guards the guardian.

Kitharsis stands in a defensive guard with his main sword.  The floating sandstone swords dance around him covering his flank.  If this guardian can teleport so easily it would do well to be prepared.

Jharm launches forward, delivering a heavy blow to the ebony crystal itself.  It cracks, but they fade just as rapidly as they were created.  A sound plan, but more force is needed to break through whatever defenses this crystal has.

There is no time to approach the ebony crystal and aid in its destruction, as portals open near each of the Companions. 

A copy of the armored guardian leaps out, greatswords slicing at Kitharsis.  He meets one of them with his main sword, the molten edge activating as it swings through the air.  As the swords collide his molten edge threatens to melt through the guardian's greatsword.

Two of his flying sandstone swords meet the other greatsword, attempting to parry the blow.  The third flying sword surges forward directly at the armored guardian copy.  Kitharsis intends to skewer the figure while its two greatswords are occupied.

As the two of them meet swords, sand starts amassing at their feet.  This bolsters Kitharsis's footing, while creating an unstable surface for the armored guardian. 
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